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Post by Jetzt on May 23, 2005 1:11:47 GMT
This is the kinda attitude I dont like... 5 Yoda's?
Not only are you holding the EU higher than the films... but you are disgracing 2 of the greatest characters to ever grace the screen.
Now, not more arguing.
Well, Luke doesnt have the potential Anakin has... but the force is strong with the Skywalker's and because Luke doesnt take the quick and easy path, he becomes more powerful than Anakin ever was.
*sighs* I hate it when people bring up this... This is probably one of the worst EU stories ever.
Bringing the Emperor "back to life" was queer... it fucks up the whole "Anakin kills Emperor, brings balance" argument.
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Post by darthheritious on May 23, 2005 4:16:25 GMT
Yes... SOON... but that was before Sidious knew Anakin would become a large peice of metal. The point is Palpy needed Vader to kill off the Jedi in order to make himself Emperor. Otherwise why did he send Vader to the temple? Why didnt he just order Anakin to go with Obi-Wan as part of the distraction and then go to the temple himself? Because he was a weak ass bitch and needed Vader to do his dirty work! Ah hell that probably didnt make sense but my overall point still remains.........PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS! |
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Post by Jetzt on May 23, 2005 10:47:09 GMT
The point is Palpy needed Vader to kill off the Jedi in order to make himself Emperor. Otherwise why did he send Vader to the temple? Why didnt he just order Anakin to go with Obi-Wan as part of the distraction and then go to the temple himself? Because he was a weak ass b!tch and needed Vader to do his dirty work! Ah hell that probably didnt make sense but my overall point still remains.........PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINIONS! If you remember rightly Dan, Palpatine's next move was to turn the Republic into an Empire... Could you imagine the Emporer of a new empire, a man who is offering peace, going into the temple and slaughtering children... I dont think the Senate would approve. For the Senate to agree to Palpatine's reorganizing, they must see him as nothing more than a poor old man. They do not know he is a sith, the only people that know that are: Vader, Tarkin, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mon Mothma, Ackbar and Bail Organa.... Oh and Luke finds out later (of course). Weak? No... but bloody wise. If the senate knew they were being controled by an evil sith lord, they would ALL rebel. |
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Post by shadoomoken on May 24, 2005 4:42:21 GMT
my feeling is is that Luke surpassed any Jedi before him. For instance the emperor blasted Luke for about two minutes with his sith lightning and guess what Luke didn't die. Paply was far stronger than Dooku and when Dooku blasted Ani it literally knocked him out. Mace when blasted with the same lightning was literally stunned with pain. Thus Luke is the strongest hands down.
another plot hole blunder. Why didn't Vader just grow new arms and legs or another body of himself and place his brian(brain) within that new body. Or just have himself cloned and train the younger version of himself in secret. I know I know. 'Overreaching fan manic plotting'. But thats what I would've done.
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Post by Adena on May 24, 2005 4:51:48 GMT
If you remember rightly Dan, Palpatine's next move was to turn the Republic into an Empire... Could you imagine the Emporer of a new empire, a man who is offering peace, going into the temple and slaughtering children... I dont think the Senate would approve. For the Senate to agree to Palpatine's reorganizing, they must see him as nothing more than a poor old man. They do not know he is a sith, the only people that know that are: Vader, Tarkin, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mon Mothma, Ackbar and Bail Organa.... Oh and Luke finds out later (of course). Weak? No... but bloody wise. If the senate knew they were being controled by an evil sith lord, they would ALL rebel. Which is Exactly the teachings of Bane and the sith that followed.. Making everyone around you puppets...that requires you to " ACT " differantly than you are, to manipulate the way people see you.. IF Palpy was the open slaughtering bad guy to start with he would have NEVER made it to the Chancellor position in the first place, and his actions would have drawn the Attention of the Jedi LONG ago,, there would have been no clone war or anything else So Palp IS brilliant...... And as for his power...well I know Jetzt hated Dark Empire alot but Palpy tells Luke one important thing as to why he had so many clones about of him.. The fleash is crude, and unsuitable to contain such power. This also explains why palpy changest,, the dark side requires a sacrofice to be used to such extent, useing as much as he did in such a burst did age him imencely...That should teach you that yes he is VERY powerful |
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Post by shadoomoken on May 24, 2005 4:59:34 GMT
Which is Exactly the teachings of Bane and the sith that followed.. Making everyone around you puppets...that requires you to " ACT " differantly than you are, to manipulate the way people see you.. IF Palpy was the open slaughtering bad guy to start with he would have NEVER made it to the Chancellor position in the first place, and his actions would have drawn the Attention of the Jedi LONG ago,, there would have been no clone war or anything else So Palp IS brilliant...... And as for his power...well I know Jetzt hated Dark Empire alot but Palpy tells Luke one important thing as to why he had so many clones about of him.. The fleash is crude, and unsuitable to contain such power. This also explains why palpy changest,, the dark side requires a sacrofice to be used to such extent, useing as much as he did in such a burst did age him imencely...That should teach you that yes he is VERY powerful to a point neighbour i agree but i do detest the eu stuff except for maybe 'traitor' which was an excellent book. the rest of it is just so silly. well except for maybe exar kun loved that character. what i really want from mr lucas is an indepth look at the history of the sith. what he accepts as fact and or denies. i've created tons of characters and spent countless hours just writing back history like 'acorns for crap'. Why can't mr lucas do the same thing. i've read the darth bane story. sort of silly really but any who it was eu after all. loved what palpy did manipulating the weak minded fools. i've tried it and guess what its so easy to manipulate people. but then i felt bad and sort of stopped. |
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Post by Triune on May 24, 2005 5:05:44 GMT
The only reason I think Vader didn't heal himself is the Darkside doesn't do that very well. I think it was in Shadows of Empire the book set between Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi has a scene in it where Vader is trying to heal himself but can't do it.
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Post by Jedi Master Kael Caivera on May 24, 2005 20:59:37 GMT
The only reason I think Vader didn't heal himself is the Darkside doesn't do that very well. I think it was in Shadows of Empire the book set between Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi has a scene in it where Vader is trying to heal himself but can't do it. That was one of my favorite scenes from that book. It shows how one "powerful" man had a major weakness... He couldnt breathe on his own without his protective suit and his chamber. back to the actual movie, the HATRED that is in Anakin's face after he is burned is incredible... and that last shot of the movie... I almost cried. |
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Post by lightbringer on May 24, 2005 22:13:25 GMT
my feeling is is that Luke surpassed any Jedi before him. For instance the emperor blasted Luke for about two minutes with his sith lightning and guess what Luke didn't die. Paply was far stronger than Dooku and when Dooku blasted Ani it literally knocked him out. Mace when blasted with the same lightning was literally stunned with pain. Thus Luke is the strongest hands down. another plot hole blunder. Why didn't Vader just grow new arms and legs or another body of himself and place his brian(brain) within that new body. Or just have himself cloned and train the younger version of himself in secret. I know I know. 'Overreaching fan manic plotting'. But thats what I would've done. Do you think Luke lasting that long being hit with Sith lightning had more to do with a dramatic scene or with his strength. Thats like saying Obi-wan sucked because he moved like an old man and when Dooku was older than him Dooku moved with a blur! Jeztz, It is a fact in star wars universe that Exar Kun was so sickenly strong it was dumb. He walked into Ulic's trial and froze the everyone! Including MANY jedi masters...then simply stated "I am taking my apprentice"! Then killed the most powerful jedi of that era quickly and left with his prize. Exar Kun used an artifact called a sith amulet, that allowed him to channel super power from the darkside. He was already disgustingly powerful before gaining the amulet. I don't even think an arguement can be made for any sithlord being more powerful than Marka Ragnos. He ruled an entire system of sith for 200 years uncontested. Everyone under Palp was planning on killing him. Marka Ragnos never felt this since to even try to atack him would end quickly. Not one single ancient sithlord under Ragnos attempted a coupe. Why? Cause he was that powerful. That just sat around and waited for him to die before fighting for the throne. One thing I find confusing is that supposedly when one turns to the darkside...the use of lightside force powers is gone. Exar Kun could not tap the lightside after turning to follow the darkside. So how does lightside jedi use sith lightning? One thing is certain...there a lot of things they do not add up. If ya wanna go just by the movies, there are about 100 discrepancies. I think GL was making this up as he went along and doesnt mesh. I love him for creating SWs but it does require us to use our imaginations to understand it. |
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Post by shadoomoken on May 25, 2005 11:40:29 GMT
Do you think Luke lasting that long being hit with Sith lightning had more to do with a dramatic scene or with his strength. Thats like saying Obi-wan sucked because he moved like an old man and when Dooku was older than him Dooku moved with a blur! Jeztz, It is a fact in star wars universe that Exar Kun was so sickenly strong it was dumb. He walked into Ulic's trial and froze the everyone! Including MANY jedi masters...then simply stated "I am taking my apprentice"! Then killed the most powerful jedi of that era quickly and left with his prize. Exar Kun used an artifact called a sith amulet, that allowed him to channel super power from the darkside. He was already disgustingly powerful before gaining the amulet. I don't even think an arguement can be made for any sithlord being more powerful than Marka Ragnos. He ruled an entire system of sith for 200 years uncontested. Everyone under Palp was planning on killing him. Marka Ragnos never felt this since to even try to atack him would end quickly. Not one single ancient sithlord under Ragnos attempted a coupe. Why? Cause he was that powerful. That just sat around and waited for him to die before fighting for the throne. One thing I find confusing is that supposedly when one turns to the darkside...the use of lightside force powers is gone. Exar Kun could not tap the lightside after turning to follow the darkside. So how does lightside jedi use sith lightning? One thing is certain...there a lot of things they do not add up. If ya wanna go just by the movies, there are about 100 discrepancies. I think GL was making this up as he went along and doesnt mesh. I love him for creating SWs but it does require us to use our imaginations to understand it. exar kun was kewl in that he had godlike powers. though over the top it was by far lots of fun. real fun. in retrospect the emperor did blast luke for at least two minutes and yes this means that luke is stronger. the reason why obiwan in the classical episodes moved slower was because GL hired a sucky ducky cherographer. in those days it was considered taboo to consult an asian cherographer for fight scenes in films. i've watched kunfu films from the seventies and early eighties that had fight scene that surpassed all the star wars films put together. then again perhaps i'm reaching. perhaps i'm assuming far too much. starwars in portions or continuity is pretty much arsed. but we love it anyway don't we? |
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