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Post by Brandon Rhea on Dec 3, 2005 17:52:01 GMT
But, people like Scott Peterson, Adolph Hitler (who, in fact, killed himself), Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein all deserve to die for their horrificl crimes. Scott Peterson killed his pregnant wife and unborn child by cutting off their heads. Adolph Hitler was responsible for the deaths of six million people, five million more if you count soliders and other civilians that were killed in a war that was his fault to begin with. Osama Bin Laden is responsible for terrorist attacks all over the world, such as the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, the US Embassy Bombings in 1998, the attack on the USS Cole in 2000 and the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. He is also the reason why the War on Terror started in the first place. Last but certainly not least, Saddam Hussein is responsible for thousands and thousands of Iraqis and then some since he became leader of Iraq. He is also the reason why Desert Storm took place. Bush also deserve to die because he is responsible or the death of 100,000 Iraquis. In times of war there are always civilian casualties. By that statement George Washington, Abrahamn Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Harry Truman, Jack Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W.Bush and Bill Clinton all deserved to die as well. There have been civilian casualties under their watch. The thing with Peterson, Hitler, Bin Laden and Hussein is that they take joy in killing people. The deaths of six million Jews gave Hitler one huge orgy. The deaths on 9/11 gave Bin Laden one huge orgy and all the people Hussein killed gave him one big orgy. And, I don't know where you get your numbers Sin but as of this month 30,789 civilians have died because of military intervention. That's a lot less than the 100,000 you claim. |
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Post by Darius Lenoth/Infared on Dec 3, 2005 17:55:15 GMT
Killing is wrong...
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Post by Halan on Dec 3, 2005 17:55:39 GMT
Sin is completley right about the stats 100,000 iraqis civilians have died...and if the same thing happened in another country...... You just know the american government wouldn't accept it. Plus...I think only truman has outdone bush in the ammount of civilian deaths on his watch.
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Post by Emoir on Dec 3, 2005 17:56:18 GMT
Honestly, I say yes, I am pro execution for those who deserve it. Call me old fashioned but Hammarabi had a point when he said an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. It only makes since to me to have punishment be double the extream of the crime to add emphasis to the reprecusions. So sharpen the axe and get the bucket ready cuse heads are gonna roll. ;D  |
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Post by Brandon Rhea on Dec 3, 2005 17:59:39 GMT
Sin is completley right about the stats 100,000 iraqis civilians have died...and if the same thing happened in another country...... You just know the american government wouldn't accept it. Plus...I think only truman has outdone bush in the ammount of civilian deaths on his watch. May I please see where you got those stats? Mine say 30,000. |
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Post by Halan on Dec 3, 2005 18:03:28 GMT
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Post by Brandon Rhea on Dec 3, 2005 18:03:47 GMT
Who was killed?
24,865 civilians were reported killed in the first two years.
Women and children accounted for almost 20% of all civilian deaths.
Baghdad alone recorded almost half of all deaths.
When did they die?
30% of civilian deaths occurred during the invasion phase before 1 May 2003.
Post-invasion, the number of civilians killed was almost twice as high in year two (11,351) as in year one (6,215).
Who did the killing?
US-led forces killed 37% of civilian victims.
Anti-occupation forces/insurgents killed 9% of civilian victims.
Post-invasion criminal violence accounted for 36% of all deaths.
Killings by anti-occupation forces, crime and unknown agents have shown a steady rise over the entire period.
What was the most lethal weaponry?
Over half (53%) of all civilian deaths involved explosive devices.
Air strikes caused most (64%) of the explosives deaths.
Children were disproportionately affected by all explosive devices but most severely by air strikes and unexploded ordnance (including cluster bomblets).
How many were injured?
At least 42,500 civilians were reported wounded.
The invasion phase caused 41% of all reported injuries.
Explosive weaponry caused a higher ratio of injuries to deaths than small arms.
The highest wounded-to-death ratio incidents occurred during the invasion phase.
Who provided the information?
Mortuary officials and medics were the most frequently cited witnesses.
Three press agencies provided over one third of the reports used.
Iraqi journalists are increasingly central to the reporting work.
Speaking today at the launch of the report in London, Professor John Sloboda, FBA, one of the report's authors said: "The ever-mounting Iraqi death toll is the forgotten cost of the decision to go to war in Iraq. On average, 34 ordinary Iraqis have met violent deaths every day since the invasion of March 2003. Our data show that no sector of Iraqi society has escaped. We sincerely hope that this research will help to inform decision-makers around the world about the real needs of the Iraqi people as they struggle to rebuild their country. It remains a matter of the gravest concern that, nearly two and half years on, neither the US nor the UK governments have begun to systematically measure the impact of their actions in terms of human lives destroyed."
That was as of March of this year. Something tells me that 80,000 people have not died since then. And, insurgents are responsible for some of the deaths as well. It's not just the US Military.
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Post by Brandon Rhea on Dec 3, 2005 18:05:42 GMT
If you noticed, the keyword in there is "estimate" and it was as of 2004. Read where my stats came from. There's a quote from a professor from London  |
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Post by Halan on Dec 3, 2005 18:07:02 GMT
Yes but there are insurgents in iraq because of this war...They were terrorized and oppressed under Saddam but they didn't die like this...
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Post by Emoir on Dec 3, 2005 18:07:12 GMT
It really matters little how many Iraqies died. War is war, and in war you are trying to kill the other people so any one is fair game. No country on this planet is not guilty of mass killings, NONE, and when a goverment wages war, it's not murder because its more of a two way fight. War has existed for a long time, its nothing new. And there is no way to avoid it at one point or another. Greed for fame, money, and power shall never cease to exist. So death on a mass scale is a part of life, people who think that it can be stopped are fooling themselvs.
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Post by Halan on Dec 3, 2005 18:07:25 GMT
If you noticed, the keyword in there is "estimate" and it was as of 2004. Read where my stats came from. There's a quote from a professor from London who is estimating... |
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Post by Brandon Rhea on Dec 3, 2005 18:09:35 GMT
If you noticed, the keyword in there is "estimate" and it was as of 2004. Read where my stats came from. There's a quote from a professor from London who is estimating... Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed in violence since the US-led invasion last year, according to public health experts who estimate there were 100,000 "excess deaths" in 18 months. "Making conservative assumptions, we think that about 100,000 excess deaths or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq," said Les Roberts of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in a report published online by The Lancet medical journal. My report has statistics from Mortuary officials and medics were the most frequently cited witnesses, three press agencies provided over one third of the reports used, Iraqi journalists are increasingly central to the reporting work. Your report thinks they are right.... |
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Post by Halan on Dec 3, 2005 18:13:29 GMT
Yes...they are estimating..but so is your source...I am looking for the bbc report on it...and the bbc is argueably the best news service in the world...
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Post by Brandon Rhea on Dec 3, 2005 18:15:01 GMT
Yes...they are estimating..but so is your source...I am looking for the bbc report on it...and the bbc is argueably the best news service in the world... ...and one the most biassed against America. Where in my report are there assumptions? It has sources that have given this information and a lot of it came from mortuary officials in Iraq. |
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Post by Halan on Dec 3, 2005 18:17:47 GMT
Bollocks it is...It is compelte un-biased..it has never said a word against america and I watch the 10 o-clock news everyday plus....war is a hectic thing...your telling me reports are always right..things arn't missed or counted twice?
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