Do you believe in Evolution?

[Lady Zahra/Jules]

They're responding to the general question of if they believe in Evolution, dear.

[Halan]

firm believer in evolution....

[Master Bondora]

They aren't even teaching the theory of evolution in some schools in the United State. I think thats pretty dumb.

[Rethius Cettle]

Please read,

VIII. Evolution is illogical

A. If everything is a process of random change over time, then our thoughts are nothing more than random events and our discussion about evolution meaningless
B. Evolutionists argue that similarity of design proves evolution. But similarity of design more logically points to a designer. If all life came from a single set of genetic instructions of a cell 4.5 billion years ago then we would not see the variety we see today.
E. Design naturally argues for a designer. Just as a watch argues for a watchmaker the infinitely more complex wrist it rests on so argues for a designer.
D. Evolutionists argue that organisms are suited for their environment because they evolved into it. It is more logical to say that they were created for their environment because many different species live in each environment and interact with it unique ways. If each evolved we would see fewer species because natural selection would eliminate those who were less efficient.
E. If we all came from the same primordial cell we would all be cannibals by the act of eating a carrot or a steak.
F. Evolution is a faith of the small and crude changing into the big and complex. It is true the small seed or baby grows larger and more complex in a temporary reversal of entropy, but the seed and baby both come from adults in an entropy equalizing, recursive process. The seed and the baby are hardly crude either, both are amazing in complexity in their internal DNA coding fully equal to the adults.
G. If as evolutionist say our "selfish genes" are geared for only survival and the passing on of our genetic code, how is it we have need for love, friendship, altruism, etc. Why would one give up his life for a friend or even stranger?
IX. Evolution has serious moral consequences.
A. Evolution is racist. It is interesting how the artists make early man look Negroid in its attempt to make them look "primitive". The theory says we are all constantly evolving and lead to the belief that the white man had made it along the evolutionary path a little farther. This has lead to the theory of Aryan superiority of Nazism, the elitist philosophy of Marxism and promoted the denigration of Jews and peoples of color.
B. Embryonic recapitulation or Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny is a bankrupt theory of Ernst Haeckel that says that the embryo goes through the evolutionary steps. I.e. invertebrate, to amphibian, to mammal, to human. This has lead to the acceptance of abortion as just the removal of the "product of conception" which was not fully human anyway.
C. Evolution has caused us to devalue human life at the expense "nature". If we are nothing but random bunches of genes we have no more right to life than the worm.

Even darwin admited to his theory 'Lacking reason of probablity'

[Halan]

I believe it make smore sense than.....another entity lets just say...

[Kapar'in Va]

yes, i do.

[Kentos Fey’lya / Adamis]

sezrenade said:

Please read,

VIII. Evolution is illogical

A. If everything is a process of random change over time, then our thoughts are nothing more than random events and our discussion about evolution meaningless
B. Evolutionists argue that similarity of design proves evolution. But similarity of design more logically points to a designer. If all life came from a single set of genetic instructions of a cell 4.5 billion years ago then we would not see the variety we see today.
E. Design naturally argues for a designer. Just as a watch argues for a watchmaker the infinitely more complex wrist it rests on so argues for a designer.
D. Evolutionists argue that organisms are suited for their environment because they evolved into it. It is more logical to say that they were created for their environment because many different species live in each environment and interact with it unique ways. If each evolved we would see fewer species because natural selection would eliminate those who were less efficient.
E. If we all came from the same primordial cell we would all be cannibals by the act of eating a carrot or a steak.
F. Evolution is a faith of the small and crude changing into the big and complex. It is true the small seed or baby grows larger and more complex in a temporary reversal of entropy, but the seed and baby both come from adults in an entropy equalizing, recursive process. The seed and the baby are hardly crude either, both are amazing in complexity in their internal DNA coding fully equal to the adults.
G. If as evolutionist say our "selfish genes" are geared for only survival and the passing on of our genetic code, how is it we have need for love, friendship, altruism, etc. Why would one give up his life for a friend or even stranger?
IX. Evolution has serious moral consequences.
A. Evolution is racist. It is interesting how the artists make early man look Negroid in its attempt to make them look "primitive". The theory says we are all constantly evolving and lead to the belief that the white man had made it along the evolutionary path a little farther. This has lead to the theory of Aryan superiority of Nazism, the elitist philosophy of Marxism and promoted the denigration of Jews and peoples of color.
B. Embryonic recapitulation or Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny is a bankrupt theory of Ernst Haeckel that says that the embryo goes through the evolutionary steps. I.e. invertebrate, to amphibian, to mammal, to human. This has lead to the acceptance of abortion as just the removal of the "product of conception" which was not fully human anyway.
C. Evolution has caused us to devalue human life at the expense "nature". If we are nothing but random bunches of genes we have no more right to life than the worm.

Even darwin admited to his theory 'Lacking reason of probablity'

Ok for a start, yes mutation is random, but that is just the means by which evolution is possible, natural selection is the driving force behind evolution which is anything but random.
Secondly just because something seems more logical doesn't make it true. Ever heard that fact is stranger than fiction?

[Adena]

k, this is starting to get a little more into a debate, not a " yes or no"

I am a forensic Anthropologist, I work in this very subject day in and day out I physically handle hundreds of different variants of Hominids weekly,, And I site that most of what has been discovered almost NEVER gets media coverage, even national geographic stays quiet half the time, which sorta sucks considering newer discoveries in the past 10 years..

that said means I have learned ALOT on the subject, and find things that tie in with my faith easily if only you re interpret things, like how something is written in a holy text does not make it 100% at face value, people often forget that the basic structuring of words have changed over the countless centuries...

Do I believe in it yes, do I have enough physical evidence of to meet my personal belief, Yes,,,,,

does that mean that even if I took a angelical on a long series of digs, and work with them in a genetics lab, and a forensics lab and show them everything science has proved, or what it suggests, that they will be shaken and see that all they need to do is open their own mind and can find a way to still blend the two theories and see a very very well defined possibility that BOTH happened......no, and I don't expect them too



look guys, .. in the days of Galileo it was believed that the earth was the center of the universe, everything revolved around it,, NO exceptions, this was thought fact because the bible said Joshuah commanded the sun to stop in the sky to give the Israelites an extra hour of day to battle..

if the earth revolved around the sun, then the bible would be put to question....

those ..like pertini, and Galileo were imprisoned, and in many cases burned alive for heresy, thousands were killed because " THE BIBLE SAID IT SO IT WAS FACT, mentioning anything differant in any way was punishable by death" and they found a loop hole, or where something was mis interprited...

we now know the sun is the center of the system, which is in the spiral arm of a galaxy, which is part of a cluster of galaxies etc, and the extra hour " commanded by Joshuah" was the sumer solstice, the same time we move our clocks ahead one hour..

so the bible was wrong,,from the point of view that people took it in word for word, not remotely thinking that there could be an interpretation difference,, though the Story of Joshuah was now for the most part explained, and science proved that he did not command the sun to stop, however it did prove that like the bible said, there would be a time of year in which Joshuah would indeed have gotten an extra hour of day...

so though the "miracle" aspect was proved wrong,, the over all MORAL, the REAL teaching behind that story still remained intact, and as true as ever..that is what the stories in the bible are for,, some are historical fact, others are interpretations of an even, some are very fictitious,, however its not the words one by one you need to see, the true meaning of the bible is the overall message, the morals hidden in the stories





so think about it like that,,

[glow=red,2,300]there will be NO bashing the fact that faith lacks science and has it's flaws,,


and no bashing that science is without faith, and has it's flaws[/glow]


because one cannot and will not exsist without the other, and trying to force your oppinin, belief upon another reguardless of your denomination, or education will NOT be tollerated.. this whole rant was to show you that there is a need for both aspects and you honestly could tie all of them together and come up with something that makes alot of sence but humans are arrogant and stubborn, so until then there is no reason to force anyone to accept anything

[Darius Lenoth/Infared]

no...because its what I believe...I like thinking that their was someone out there that made me special and different from all the rest. What I dont like is think that I mutated from a bacteria...

[Darius Lenoth/Infared]

darthsin2 said:

They aren't even teaching the theory of evolution in some schools in the United State. I think thats pretty dumb.

And america was founded on christian beliefs...whaddya expect?

[Max Kendrix]

I think evolution is absolute fact! It has been proven to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt...imho anyway.

[The Madet Legacy]

Can I just say one thing?

Evolution is a THEORY! It's not a proven fact, no matter what your beliefs on it. Just keep that in mind that as of now, it's still the THEORY of Evolution, not The Scientific Fact of Evolution.

(Note to any new members[Max], If I post in all caps, I'm usually just too lazy to put it in Italics.)

You can basically say that Any religion is a Theory too. There is no SCIENTIFIC proof for it, but people believe that their god created everything, etc.

So let's just summarize Religions and Evolution, the Big Bang, Etc. as Theories from here on out through this thread. This way, all of them are viewed as something that MIGHT have happened, but isn't necesarily WHAT happened. So, no one's belief is right, no one's is wrong, if all of them are theories on what could have happened in the Beginning.


HOPEFULLY, this new guideline will stop arguements.

[Adena]

With I like what you said Aaron, its a much more clear version of what I was ultimatle trying to state ;D

[The Madet Legacy]

;D

[The Pike]

No.

And I'm not arquing about it. (my school does teach it...I pay attention.....but they also teacgh creationism but the not Inetuectual (sp?) Design.)