Triune
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Post by Triune on Nov 1, 2005 0:36:36 GMT
To put it very simply Evolution takes place because of Pushes or Pulls. Now to explain my simply explanation! ;D
A Push: A lifeforms environment changes forcing either evolution or extinction.
A Pull: A new niche in the ecology opens up and a life form changes to take advantage of it.
Now I know there will be those quick to say "Wait that's Adaption" and to that I will say "Yes!" Adaption is the first step in Evolution. When a life form adapts to a changing condition and said condition persists the life form slowly evolves into the adapted behavior.
A side note... Darwin, the much maligned father of evolution never EVER said that man evolved from apes.. He stated that from his observations current animals evolved from precursor life forms that were less complex. (Yes I'm paraphrasing because again I don't want to take the time to find the exact wording). His theory was put on trial not because of what it said but more for what others extrapolated from it. The Maxim of this story? Always be careful what you say because you never know who's going to interpret it. ;D
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Post by Kentos Fey’lya / Adamis on Nov 1, 2005 0:42:03 GMT
To put it very simply Evolution takes place because of Pushes or Pulls. Now to explain my simply explanation! ;D A Push: A lifeforms environment changes forcing either evolution or extinction. A Pull: A new niche in the ecology opens up and a life form changes to take advantage of it. Now I know there will be those quick to say "Wait that's Adaption" and to that I will say "Yes!" Adaption is the first step in Evolution. When a life form adapts to a changing condition and said condition persists the life form slowly evolves into the adapted behavior. A side note... Darwin, the much maligned father of evolution never EVER said that man evolved from apes.. He stated that from his observations current animals evolved from precursor life forms that were less complex. (Yes I'm paraphrasing because again I don't want to take the time to find the exact wording). His theory was put on trial not because of what it said but more for what others extrapolated from it. The Maxim of this story? Always be careful what you say because you never know who's going to interpret it. ;D Another interesting thing to note about Darwin is that Mendalian genetic were developped in his lifetime by Mendal and would have helpped explain Darwin's theories but he never heard about them because they were mostly debunked in his time. However after Darwin died they found in some papers of his a copy of Mendal's journal article, unopened in his personal items. Sad really.
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Post by Lady Zahra/Jules on Nov 1, 2005 0:50:01 GMT
Not always the case, Adamis. The body has many safeguards to prevent these things from happening too. Just because it happens in one generation doesn't mean it follows every generation. It could be that the one allel is messed up in one batch of sperm but fixed the next batch. OR during development, the fetus' DNA and RNA is able to "fix" the problem. As I said....it isn't always the case.
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Post by Kentos Fey’lya / Adamis on Nov 1, 2005 0:55:57 GMT
Not always the case, Adamis. The body has many safeguards to prevent these things from happening too. Just because it happens in one generation doesn't mean it follows every generation. It could be that the one allel is messed up in one batch of sperm but fixed the next batch. OR during development, the fetus' DNA and RNA is able to "fix" the problem. As I said....it isn't always the case. It may not happen ever time but when you consider the length of the Human genome, the error rate of DNA copying and the number of possible repairs that can be done and remember that this is happening in every organism everywhere you can see the chances of mutations becoming common place in a population are actually very, very, very high.
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Post by Lady Zahra/Jules on Nov 1, 2005 1:02:00 GMT
Yes, the chances are high, but looking at how society has developed most characteristics in humans have remained the same for many years in most respects. Evolution is slow, yes, but how do you acquaint for many generations of humans showing no large scale mutations? Cancer is in essence a cell that cannot stop growth. The code for growth to stop never comes so tumors continue to grow and grow. This is passed on from generation to generation, but it isn't based on improving society...unless you take the view that it is how the world is getting rid of the weaker humans in preparation for a stronger race.....which I can't believe.
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Post by Triune on Nov 1, 2005 1:05:08 GMT
Keep in mind Pushes and Pulls people ;D Cancer could very well be the human Genome trying to come to grips with a chance in the environment. I'm not saying it is only that it could be.
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The Madet Legacy
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Post by The Madet Legacy on Nov 1, 2005 1:07:10 GMT
No. Why? Ask your local Church to explain my reasons.
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Post by Master Bondora on Nov 1, 2005 1:10:28 GMT
No. Why? Ask your local Church to explain my reasons. So your basically saying that God created human beings like us immediately and that it never evolved in any way?
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Post by Lady Zahra/Jules on Nov 1, 2005 1:20:40 GMT
Careful, boys.....keep emotions out of this. Debate...remember? No bashing. Just a forewarning since I have a feeling how this might go now.
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Post by The Madet Legacy on Nov 1, 2005 2:06:20 GMT
No. Why? Ask your local Church to explain my reasons. So your basically saying that God created human beings like us immediately and that it never evolved in any way? Yes, that's what I'm saying. And like Kelly said, Don't start bashing me or Pike or anyone else for our views.
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Post by Kentos Fey’lya / Adamis on Nov 1, 2005 2:46:54 GMT
Yes, the chances are high, but looking at how society has developed most characteristics in humans have remained the same for many years in most respects. Evolution is slow, yes, but how do you acquaint for many generations of humans showing no large scale mutations? Cancer is in essence a cell that cannot stop growth. The code for growth to stop never comes so tumors continue to grow and grow. This is passed on from generation to generation, but it isn't based on improving society...unless you take the view that it is how the world is getting rid of the weaker humans in preparation for a stronger race.....which I can't believe. Well first off there haven't been accurate enough records for long enough to show any change in the Human society in any way, second Humans, through medical tech and kindness allow people who would otherwise die (taken out by natural selection) to survive and basicly fu<k up evolution. The fu<k of the matter is that Humans are fu<king up our own gene pool by saving people who in true nature would die. This has a slowing effect on evolution.
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Post by Jedi Knight Carith Korso on Nov 1, 2005 2:47:27 GMT
Yes because anything is possible
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Post by Kentos Fey’lya / Adamis on Nov 1, 2005 2:49:43 GMT
Yes because anything is possible Whats that suppose to mean?
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Post by Jedi Master Arlon Kyjar on Nov 1, 2005 3:19:47 GMT
Yes... That is why we have a tailbone, from monkeys! ;D
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Nov 1, 2005 4:53:52 GMT
Firm believer in evolution.
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