"Controversial" Umpire Call

[Renthous Vacvar]

well, what do you think about that ninth inning call in game 2 of the ALCS last night? Do you think that it was blown by the umpire?

I say no, I've seen enough replays of the ball bouncing into the pocket of Josh Paul's glove to see that Pierzinsky was right to run

[Bralor]

darthchaos said:

well, what do you think about that ninth inning call in game 2 of the ALCS last night? Do you think that it was blown by the umpire?

I say no, I've seen enough replays of the ball bouncing into the pocket of Josh Paul's glove to see that Pierzinsky was right to run

I agree with that but I only saw the replay a few times on tv at school lunch break today.

[Adena]

I watched it a few times, my dad made me take the copy onto his pc and watch it frame by frame, I saw the ball in the glove, thoug the glove hit the ground the ball never did..however not even the ump could have seen that,, NOW I have seen that Ump before, he is a native of Las Cruses New Mexico, and Umped alot of Albuquerque Isotopes games, and has the tendancy to make bad plate calls...as in he pumps his fist for outs and strikes, and a few other things, so it's understandable why there could be mistakes in understanding

so there were ultimatly 3 differant paople thinking three differant thing

What WAS wrong no matter if it bounced or not..there would be no way he would take a base, it would have been a ball even if it bounced, and there would had been another pitch

THAT is where the major problem is, the ball bouncing itself is nothing

[Renthous Vacvar]

well Adena, I thought it was a bad call too, at first. But then I saw a ground level camera and it made me realize the ball was too low to automatically pop into Josh Paul's pocket. I play baseball spring, summer, and fall every year and have seen a few plays like these. I must say, yes that ump sucked ass last night. I was sick so I decided to watch the game, but he was so bad I turned it off. I also saw the third base cameras and it did show the ball deflecting up, so my theory is that the seams of the ball grazed the dirt and popped up, considering it was going 92 miles per hour from 60 feet away.

As for the real issue, most people don't realize this. An average 80 mile per hour fastball takes .6 seconds to get to the plate, a 92 mile per hour fastball .4 seconds. That's not alot of time to determine whether or not it's a ball. And Piersinski doesn't have the best eye in all of baseball, that belongs to Barry Bonds. I've hit against 80 mile per hour pitching and some 90, Adena. Most people think it's easy just by watching it on TV, well it sure as hell ain't.

[Bralor]

darthchaos said:

well Adena, I thought it was a bad call too, at first. But then I saw a ground level camera and it made me realize the ball was too low to automatically pop into Josh Paul's pocket. I play baseball spring, summer, and fall every year and have seen a few plays like these. I must say, yes that ump sucked ass last night. I was sick so I decided to watch the game, but he was so bad I turned it off. I also saw the third base cameras and it did show the ball deflecting up, so my theory is that the seams of the ball grazed the dirt and popped up, considering it was going 92 miles per hour from 60 feet away.

As for the real issue, most people don't realize this. An average 80 mile per hour fastball takes .6 seconds to get to the plate, a 92 mile per hour fastball .4 seconds. That's not alot of time to determine whether or not it's a ball. And Piersinski doesn't have the best eye in all of baseball, that belongs to Barry Bonds. I've hit against 80 mile per hour pitching and some 90, Adena. Most people think it's easy just by watching it on TV, well it sure as hell ain't.

I completly agree with Toxis it is not easy to tell it's not like he can tell

[Adena]

what Im ultimatly saying though is the balls not the point, ignore the ball being too low or not,

the taking of the base was where it was wrong, that SHOULD have been a 2-2 count,, and one last pitch, not a givin

[Kentos Fey’lya / Adamis]

You need a don't know, don't care option.

[Lakkerun Joh'had]

I say yes, he blew it.

Also, Adena, you gotta remember that if Pierzynksi swung and missed, and the catcher DID drop it, then it'd be a dropped third strike, and Pierzynski can run to first. He can still make it there until he reaches the dugout steps or enters the dugout, then hes out no matter what. But he didnt do that, he made it about half-way there before his teammates told him to run to first. It woulda never have been a ball anyway, since AJ swung and missed the ball, at least from what I heard.

And, although it must be difficult, the ump shoulda listened to see if the ball hit the ground or not. If it did, he wouldve heard two successive hits. If the catcher caught it, it wouldve been one. A difficult distinction to make, but easier than trying to look over the catcher and see the ball.


Anyway, in my opinion, the ump did blow the call. He made a decision on the call, but didnt make it clear. He just made a quiet call, and, I believe it was the first-base ump, said he dropped the ball. According to the umpire, he called it a 'third strike' but not an out, so if thats the case, then hes right. But I really think the ump is just making up some BS.

[Adena]

then it would have been the umps job to vocalise it, and even the batter said he did'nt..

SO the ump fucked up reguardless...

now that one thing would not have altered the game at all really

and I personally don't care about the teams, or the sport as a whole, I just have a thing for wathing refs, and umps screw up

[Lakkerun Joh'had]

Indeed, I voted 'Yes' that the ump did f*ck up, Adena. He really has to make his calls clear, and not change them. He says he didnt make a call at all, but hes a liar!

Hmmm, I really dunno who I want to win out of the Angels and the White Sox. I hate Pierzynski with a passion after his disaster with the Giants. But then again, not a big Angels fan after 2002. Yes, I can hold a grudge for a time at least... but anyway, I think I fairly neutral here

[Pele]

He did F*** Up because well I don't care what the replay showed, he looked like he had control and well stupid umps.

Plus i don't like the white Sox, stole the Red Sox name

[Jedi Master Arlon Kyjar]

Baseball sucks, dont care.

[Renthous Vacvar]

Pele, it has nothing to do with if the catcher has control of it at all... the arguement is if the ball hit the ground before Josh Paul caught it or not.

and the White Sox and Red Sox all came from the same time dude...

[Pele]

darthchaos said:

Pele, it has nothing to do with if the catcher has control of it at all... the arguement is if the ball hit the ground before Josh Paul caught it or not.

and the White Sox and Red Sox all came from the same time dude...

yea well the RedSox won the world series so their better so umm yea, and well...... yea...... GO ANGELS WOO HOO

[Renthous Vacvar]

The White Sox also have the MLB record for most wins in a season, and they did that with only 154 game seasons, nowadays there's 8 extra games