Political Correctness

[The Madet Legacy]

Okay, this thread isn't about Politics or Religion-It's about how the Different Governments of the world are changing things or not allowing things because one single person could take offense to it! Now, Please get back on THAT topic.

[Lady Zahra/Jules]

darthsin2 said:

admin said:

jedimasterbac said:

Yeah, I remember when the Iraqi's were actually training children to fight off United States Troops. I talked to a soldier who was forced to kill a ten year old boy because the child was trying to kill him. The guy was brought to fucking tears. The levels that these Muslim Extremists stoop to make me want to go over there and kill them myself. It's seriously out of control.

The americans are sometimes even worst. For instance, did you know that during the siege of Fallujah the american army actually used poison gas and other non-conventional weapons against civilians in the assault? The americans are actually committing some kind of genocide in Iraq. The initial invasion took on the character of a one-sided slaughter, with the world’s strongest military power armed with the most technologically advanced weapons, on the one hand, and a disarmed and virtually defenseless military of a country already devastated by a decade of sanctions, on the other. The hostility of the Iraqi people to the presence of the US military is there in direct response to the brutal methods employed by American troops against the entire Iraqi population. If you dont believe me then check for yourself. A recent study estimated the number of Iraqi deaths since the start of the war in March 2003 at around 100,000. And thathat of course does not include the thousands more who will be dying from disease because of a lack of medical supplies, clean water, or proper sanitation. It does not include the hundreds of thousands that died in Iraq before the war even began from the sanctions. The American Army is committing genocide in Iraq, and that is the intention.

There are so many things that have been said here that my hands are burning to respond to, but this one bit Sin has posted I have to respond to above all others. Sin, dear, and others of you who are against the Americans right now. I know nothing I say will ever change your opinions but hear this out. The insurgents are so well hidden, the troops can't tell who is friend and who is there to blow them up. When there is war, there are always tons of civilian casualties. That is something you can't get away from. War is war and war is hell. There are many persons over in Iraq who are glad we came and helped them out. Personally, I doubt that democracy can ever be established there securely. Based upon their religious beliefs and the beliefs of those around them, it is almost impossible to wish this upon them. Now whether we should have gone in or not I am not going to give my opinion on. However, persons there for once aren't so scared to walk out of their house or wonder if their loved one might walk out and never come home because Saddam or someone else in power didn't like him. We don't know the hell they've lived through nor do we know the exact situation over there currently. All we know is biased information that is passed down by the news. Yes, all news reporters are biased and always has been.

Another thing. While there may be people in this war praying to God to help the troops over in Iraq right now, the other side is praying to Allah as well for Him to be on their side. Who's to say He's on either side?

3rdly. Interpretation of the Bible is different from denomination to denomination, person to person, etc. How you interpret it is between you and the Holy Ghost. You can't take every word thrusted to you by someone who says they are a biblical scholar without testing them yourself to see if it's true or not. As someone who is about to graduate and start seminary, I can tell you that I will be forced to question what I believe in and be confronted by other persons' interpretation of the Bible. Some believe the stories held within are all parables and didn't really happen. Others believe it literally....word for word. The answer to what it really is can only come from God and persons who believe a certain way will come to find out that in the end.

As for Sabre...dear, women worked in Biblical times. Remember Lydia? She worked for a living dying fabrics purple so they could be sold. Being subservient to a man doesn't mean you are his slave. Look at the command Jesus gave man. If you take the whole for each person's place in a marriage, you will see that they work together. If things go out from under the umbrella of God, it is the man's responsibility as head of the house to bring his family back under the umbrella. No where do I read that women can't work in any of that.

Man I have so much more to say to so many of the posts put here, but I have rambled too long.

[The Madet Legacy]

Yeah, what she said! Plus, I have a true story that can help clarify things of the Iraq matter even more.


My Great-Uncle Jack served in Vietnam. He told me a story of how he was sitting in his foxhole when a little boy-no older than 5-started running at him and his friend. They shot him and killed him. Why? Because you can't tell who's got a bomb strapped to their chest and who doesn't when you're battling Guerillas that look exactly like civillians. Turns out that little Vietnamese Boy DID have enough explosives strapped to his chest to blow up my Uncle Jack, his friend, and the other 20 Marines around them.

[Jetzt]

Again, in ways I think the overall goal for America and England is an admirable one... however, targeting innocent civilians is a form of terrorism in itself.

Bush decided to bomb Al-Jazeera TV in Qatar, only to be talked out of it by Tony Blair. Can you imagine how many innocent people would have been killed?

Another thing. While there may be people in this war praying to God to help the troops over in Iraq right now, the other side is praying to Allah as well for Him to be on their side. Who's to say He's on either side?

Well, Im pretty sure he would be against the targeting of civilians. Lets put it this way. MI5 could have quite easilly sent in one of our boys and assassinated Saddam and everyone of loyalists... Thats what these Bond type characters are trained for... but instead we are fighting a one sided war, thousands of troops against a handful of loyalists and the innocent are just getting in the way of this. Its the American way, shoot now, think later. If they had thought, Saddams boys would have been alive for questioning. Anyway I have had enough beef with this side of the convo.




As for Sabres "What have Women ever done?" comment. I would like to see you say that to the Queen or Margret Thatcher.

[Brandon Rhea]

No one is specifically targeting innocent civilians in Iraq, it's just that in war there are indeed innocent civillians and you can't do anything about that. You can't walk in and say "Okay, everyone, run away since we're about to drop this bomb right here". That might scare away the targets.

Oh, and that Bush/Blair/Al-Jazeera was at the start of the war, I believe, if it is true. Yes, I understand that a British intelligent agent leaked it out, but I'm not sure if it has been said if it is true yet. Can someone fill me in on that?

Sending in MI5 or the CIA to assassinate Saddam and his men could have been interpreted as an act of war by Middle Eastern countries. I believe that if we had of done that, there still would have been a war and it could have been worse.

[Halan]

More a act of war than actually invaded one of there countries and bac...we have argueably the best secret service in the world I very much doubt we did that.

[Brandon Rhea]

I apologize. It was not a British Intelligent Agent, I read the thing wrong. It was a British Civil Servant.

[Halan]

Oh..well yeah we don't make good burocrats..and there rude fuckers..make me wait three days for my driving license!!

[Brandon Rhea]