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Post by .:.::Bornor Re'Aden::.:. on Sept 27, 2005 23:04:27 GMT
"I saw what the Sith were doing. They have reason you know, theyre not just murdering butchers. Okay, some are, but others aren't. Others like me! Anyway, I like to think they have the same goal as the Jedi. But not only do they have the means to achieve it, they have the balls to achieve it. 'Cause they realize that the sacrifice of one can help the many. The Jedi try to save everyone, and it ends up screwing them over. I believe I already explained this to dearest Estamme back on Mustafar...." "The Jedi DO protect as many as they can. If the Sith weren't in their way, they could've accomplished many things by now."
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Sept 27, 2005 23:07:51 GMT
"Sure, if the Sith werent in your way. Thats a big if though. Know why? 'Cause evil will never be destroyed. Any time the Jedi smite down the Sith, more will come up. And the Jedi will try to control them, 'cause they dont like striking down the 'innocent.' But then the 'innocent' turn into 'Sith Lords'. And 'Sith Lords' turn into 'mass slaughter'. And so the process repeats itself, throwing the galaxy into constant turmoil..."
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Post by .:.::Bornor Re'Aden::.:. on Sept 27, 2005 23:16:09 GMT
"That's exactly it, and what we try to stop. If people, or Jedi, like you didn't turn to the Sith, then the process would slow down. But you are right, there will always be evil, and there will also always be good, and you chose evil, which was your fault."
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Sept 27, 2005 23:24:29 GMT
"See there's the misconception. 'Sith are evil'. There's your beef. I'm on the Sith to make sure that 'Sith arent too evil'. See, if the Sith take over the galaxy, we'll smite down those who try to oppose us. We wont slaughter those who submit. They will have free will, but those who try to impose their own government will be taken down.
Aha, you might say! Youre being oppressive, not letting them have their own government! Well maybe we are. But what's better? A bit of oppression or a lot of deaths, caused by the struggles of the Sith and the Jedi?"
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Post by .:.::Bornor Re'Aden::.:. on Sept 27, 2005 23:28:17 GMT
"The best would be if the Sith would just stand down. I, maybe not the other Masters, would let the Sith occupy their own little planet, possibly, and go by their ways."
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Sept 29, 2005 1:45:19 GMT
"So you, and maybe others, would possibly let us have our own planet? So what youre suggesting is for the Sith to give up the galaxy so that theres a chance they can have one planet they already own?
Okay, it'd be easier for the Jedi if the Sith stepped down. It'd be easier for chaos to die if the Jedi stepped down, however. 'Cause if the Jedi stepped down, then the Sith could focus inward, and stop any inner turmoil within the people."
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Post by .:.::Bornor Re'Aden::.:. on Sept 29, 2005 2:09:52 GMT
"Now that is stupid. The Sith are evill, the Jedi are good. I don't know how it could get any more simpler. Either way, if one wins, the other will live on, and eventually grow back. This war is futile."
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Sept 29, 2005 2:25:57 GMT
"Sith are evil. Jedi are good. You see things in shades of grey, I think that may be your problem.
The Sith have done some things people could brand 'evil'. But alas, so have the Jedi. And dont tell me 'The Jedi always stand up for righteous and good, they never do anything evil blah blah blah', 'cause I've seen, and done, some pretty nasty stuff from Jedi. So none of that bantha-crap.
See, why I joined the Sith is to limit the amount of 'evil' things the Sith do. Dontcha get it? Im not goin' around killing people, I'm trying to help 'em. And before you say I'm brainwashed, I do believe I told you how I'm helping 'em. In a position of power, one such as myself has impunity to help the poor. If anyone doesnt like it, they can get a boot up their ass. Simple as that.
So you may ask why I cant do that with the Jedi. Well the Jedi are too restrictive. Force, the only reason they ever kept me on was 'cause of the power I held. Had a Padawan done it, he'd have been out of there before he could ignite a lightsabre. But anyway, the Jedi would kick me out if I were to put a 'boot' up anyone's 'ass'. They frown upon it. The Sith let me do it, and I do believe thats the only way youre going to get people to listen. By intimidation. Sad as it is, yes, I believe it to be true."
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Post by Emoir on Sept 29, 2005 2:30:28 GMT
*Overhearing the argument saber begins to chuckle from a table on the far side of the room. Under her breath she mumbles.*
"Good, evil, only perspectives. But a brain drained jedi wouldnt grasp that. Under oppresion, there is no crime, people are to fearful to do a damn thing. Under freedom people do as they please. Such narrow minds..."
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Sept 29, 2005 2:33:40 GMT
"Didnt you listen? Wasnt that the first thing I said? Didnt I say, and I quote myself here: "Sith are evil. Jedi are good. You see things in shades of grey, I think that may be your problem. So please dont call me a brain-drained Jedi. And if your referring to Barrill here, please done call him a brain-drained Jedi. He's a friend of mine, and I prefer not to have him insulted by the likes of you."
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Post by Emoir on Sept 29, 2005 2:43:48 GMT
*Her eyes dart over to Crucius and lock*
"You have good ears, but I suggest you calm yourself. Your jedi freind is most defenantly a pawn of the council. Its obvious your jedi freind has the jedi code drilled into his jedi mind. So what would you call him?"
*She again mumbles under her breath.* "A brain drained jedi."
*A grin crosses her face as a show of defyance.*
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Sept 29, 2005 3:04:58 GMT
"No, I wouldnt call him that actually. I'd call him my friend.
And who really knows more about the Jedi Council here? Think about it for a moment: I have been on the High Council for years now. I know all of their darkest secrets, more than you could ever hope to know. And we've discussed good ol' Barrill here, and in actuality, he's not a pawn. Sure, the Jedi may not have their ideas straight, but they ain't manipulating anyone. 'Cept maybe Estamme..."
*I flash Estamme a toothy grin, showing him that Im just teasing with him, that theyre not using him. Or are they? Naw, theyre not...*
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Post by Emoir on Sept 29, 2005 3:18:08 GMT
"I understand the hole keep your freinds close, but your enemies closer. But more then likely you'll end up fighting him to the death. You may have been a jedi before, know them, and even become close with them, but all and all you betrayed them you are their enemy. And you still befreind one?!"
*She rises from her seat into more agressive pose.*
"I dont need to spell it out for you, but I will. You are playing with fire Lord Crucius, but what do I care?"
*The tone in her voice reaturns to its calm state.*
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Post by Lakkerun Joh'had on Sept 29, 2005 3:39:04 GMT
*I shrug non-chalantly, as if I argued about issues of life and death normally. In fact, to emphasize the point, I look to my nails, as if they need manicuring.*
"Well call the fire department then, 'cause I'm playin' with matches!
But as for betrayal, I beg to differ. I look to further their own goal, but in a different manner. More... brutal, if you will, sure. But as I see it, if the Sith are the only ones who will take what action is needed, then so be it. I am a Sith. I am a betrayer. But rest assured, the Sith's ultimate goal is not the destruction of everything in the galaxy. What purpose would that serve? I mean, woohoo, we control empty space!
No, the Sith's purpose is to maintain an orderly galaxy, where chaos and war do not live long enough to see the light of day. See, the Sith will strike down rebels; the Jedi will only try to save them in vain. The way I see it, the Jedi's goal is unrealistic, and the Sith's is the closest thing to it that is realistic."
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Post by Emoir on Sept 29, 2005 3:44:09 GMT
"And thats why the jedi need to be eliminated, as long as they exist they will grab for that unrealistic dream of theirs, and at the same moment hinder our realistic grip on socity. And here you are freinds with a stumbling block."
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